oil leak into alberta river

[salmo]

The electricity that the guys in the Pacific northwest use to read Spey Pages produced by hydroelectric dams has killed billions more salmon and steelhead than the electricity used by all the other members of spey pages and all the oil spills on the planet combined.

This is a factual statement.



You are best in making the stuff up to provoke uncivilized exchange.......

Have a great day.

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by StillInScrubs

This is a factual statement.

How you manage to evade a permanent ban is a mystery to me.

[StillInScrubs]

Originally Posted by Cougar

How you manage to evade a permanent ban is a mystery to me.

Do you disagree with the hydroelectric dams risk to steelhead and salmon?

I am unaware of any oil spills causing major salmon and steelhead die offs.

Do you have a link?

[salmo]

I am unaware of any oil spills causing major salmon and steelhead die offs.

Because the oil pipelines are not running via salmon rivers yet.......


The real issue on this thread are near weekly major oil spills in Alberta( in relatively stable terrain) which are a harbinger of what to expect when oil pipeline from Alberta will cross BC, throughout remote prone to mud slides terrain, cross many salmon/steelhead rich rivers and will end up on the Pacific coast of BC.
Over 300 big Chinese tankers a year may arrive to the cost of BC navigating via narrow Kimitat's straits.

Only a person within any imagination can think that BC coast and the rivers will be spare from the most difficult to clean up unprocessed sand oil.

So please do not "muddy the water" !!!!!!! and stick to the subject, unless you objective is to inject a venom what may ignite uncivilized exchanges resulting in the thread sundown

[StillInScrubs]

I'm not aware of any major fish die offs due to oil spills. Got a link?

[SteelerHeeler]

Originally Posted by salmo

The real issue on this thread are near weekly major oil spills in Alberta

Can you provide links regarding these weekly major oil spills. I was not aware of this weekly occurrence. What do you consider major? A gallon? A barrel? A million barrels?

[ralfish]

"It should also be noted that pipelines in Alberta have never been safer. In 2009, Alberta posted a record-low pipeline failure rate of 1.7 pipeline failures per 1,000 km of pipeline (considering all substances), bettering the previous record-low of 2.1 set in both 2008 and 2007."

http://www.ercb.ca/portal/server.pt/...nr2011_04.aspx

[SteelerHeeler]

Thanks ralfish, I should have considered the source.

[salmo]

Can you provide links regarding these weekly major oil spills. I was not aware of this weekly occurrence. What do you consider major? A gallon? A barrel? A million barrels?

Also, the numbers have been posted in relier posts if one is willing to read them.

The main point is the failure in remote BC or tanker accident ( over 300 per year) near cost BC will lead to the disaster.It is not matter if but when....

Instead we have not particularly productive diversion to coal, dams and other unrelated issues.........., a simple dilution of the main subject........

[SteelerHeeler]

As an American I prefer to keep my nose out of Canadian politics. It probably would be helpful if more Americans did the same.
And for the record, I think any pipeline thru BC is a lousy idea... coming south with it is a different story altogether.

[dutch_m]

here's a good read about the oil spills in alberta

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/story.html?id=6780124

[ralfish]

From the above link:

"However, back to Prof. Kheraj and his examination of the record.

He's looked at oil pipeline spills in Alberta over the last 35 years. His conclusion is that these spills are "endemic" rather than exceptional.

It's hard to disagree. Between 1990 and 2005, the Alberta Energy Utilities Board recorded more than 16,000 "releases" by pipelines, of which more than half involved hydrocarbons and roughly 30 per cent were "hydrocarbon liquid," which would mean oil or distillates.

Since 2006, Kheraj notes, pipeline ruptures number in the thousands and have spilled the equivalent of at least almost 28 million litres of oil.

In 2010 alone, he observes, pipelines in Alberta carrying either oil or some combination of oil, gas or distillates failed on average every 1.4 days and they spilled roughly 3.4 million litres of oil."

[salmo]

Some people do not what to look at the facts and this is why we have so many
"doubters"......

[salmo]

Interesting to say the least

http://walrus.wr.usgs.gov/reports/re...den_GML_23.pdf

No, it is like comparing apples and oranges !!!!!!!!!!!!
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A quick analysis of date reviles that the total seepage ( weight/day to weight /year) that occurs is very small ( amount over the time) and the marine system can handle it.

When Exxon Valdez dumped enormous amount of oil into SE Alaska water the system was overwhelmed, the oil is still there and the marine system never fully recovered.

The same can be said about 2010 BP disaster. The amount release to the Gulf in short period of time exceed multiyear natural seepage, which can otherwise be handled by bacteria present in the marine system.


An average person can easily tolerate a glass of two of whisky, but several bottles will most likely end tragically.

Considering that the subject of the thread is about oil released to a small body of fresh water ( e.g. a river) lacking a natural, oil eating bacteria, and there is an extremely real possibility of significant oil spill of super heavy sand oil ( NOT present in the natural marine system) into Kimitat Bay or Skeena River (if the pipeline is build) , I consider the above article completely irrelevant and the diversion from the real issue.

How even one can compare the seepage of 360 tons per 1 Year (10 trailer trucks delivering gasoline) into a giant Gulf of Alaska to the same spill within 1-2 days into Skeena river ?????

[chromerman]

Hey Scrubs are you old enough to remember the Exxon Valdeez disaster in Alaska? On shore right where pink salmon spend their first year rearing what do you need an exact count?

CM