ELF running line back end loop feedback?

[monsterfish]

I just got my SGS ELF running line and i can't wait to use it ! But it came without a back end loop. I'm just wondering if the method I am "thinking" of using will have enough strength and if it will affect how smooth the loops are ? For the backing loop I have always just made a big loop using a surgeon's knot with a big enough loop for the reel ?

Although I have never made a loop in either line or running line after searching through other threads the one I seem to be most comfortable attempting would be this method of a whipped loop ? It seems to be pretty simple just not sure how affective it might be? ::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFluzChZSlo

The running line is #30 ELF I am a bit nervous making my own loop for the first time as I want it to hold up when that first big fish takes me into my backing !!

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[wrx_canoe]

Why not just knot it to your backing? I assume you don't frequently change out your running line.

I use an Albright knot for the connection.

If you still want a loop maybe use Peter-s-c's instructions to weld one. I believe that ELF is PVC.

[MJC]

Your whipped loop should be fine. That being said I agree that an Albright knot is the answer. Fast and strong.

[thegrappler]

I have stoped using perfection loop though I have head it sliding and changed to this non slip loop knot and it's great on mono lines: http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knot...lip-loop-knot/

I agree with the above fellas that albright is a great knot to tie mono shooting line to the backing.

[monsterfish]

Thanks for all the info ! I am pretty keen on keeping a loop to loop connection . So i am leaning towards the whipped or welded loop fOr the running line. What would be the best knot to use to create a loop in the dacon backing ?

[gregor 42]

Originally Posted by monsterfish

Thanks for all the info ! I am pretty keen on keeping a loop to loop connection . So i am leaning towards the whipped or welded loop fOr the running line. What would be the best knot to use to create a loop in the dacon backing ?

http://midcurrent.com/videos/tying-t...-spliced-loop/

This is the method I use if it's hollow braided backing. You don't really need the splicing needle although it's convenient. You can simply use fine wire doubled ie piano wire, or fine unwound guitar string. Make a big enough loop
to pass your reel through, maybe about 6-8". Then just make a loop to loop connection and you're good to go. No knot needed.

[retreive]

Bimini Twist. Strong, easy to tie, make loop
the size you need and makes changing running lines
pretty simple. Dont forget Bimini Twist has specifically
good cushion effect in case when fish has sudden strong
pulls.

[MJC]

A blind splice loop is nice in 30# or larger braided Dacron but a double or triple surgeon's knot will work quite well.

A blind splice loop can be done in 20# braided Dacron but it is more work although not impossible.

[monsterfish]

Great I'm going to try my first blind splice loop !! Worst case I will go with the double surgeon loop as a backup . What are ur opinions on the whipped finish loop vs the welded loop ?? Keep in mind I have never done either, whipped loop looks pretty straight forward , although I like the idea of a welded loop there seems to be more room for error on "my" part while heating etc ? Any thoughts
Or suggestions is greatly appreciated .

[MJC]

If you don't have what you need for welding then the whipped looped would be the way to go. A fly tying bobbin and scissors are the tools you need.

For welding even if a heat source is handy you'll still need shrink tube.

For the blind splice loop in the Dacron if you don't have any of the items mentioned above a bobbin threader will work just fine. The double catch method will be the strongest.

[SLSS]

Whipped loop- piece of cake, and very effective.

Spliced loop- my favorite for backing. I use a bent guitar string, or my tying bobbin when I can't remember where that place is I put the guitar string so I would remember where it was.

I really like welding too, but running line is not the easiest to start on- little room for error.

[Brookie]

Poppy - are you suggesting a direct blind splice between the reel end of the running line core and forward end of the backing? Or are you suggesting making blind splice loops in the end of running line core and also in the backing and then doing a loop to loop?

Blind splices run through the guides like butter.

I have never had the nerve to risk a blind splice on fish over 10 pounds or so. I gather you are comfortable with this approach? At what size fish would you go with something else like the Albright???

By the way, if anyone needs a welding gun/kit or supplies - Poppy's the Man to see!!!

[t_richerzhagen]

The double catch blind splice for dacron backing is standard for saltwater fly fishing. If you use single catch without CA glue or some other method of securing the splice, it can fail on use.

Personally I make a large loop in the backing to go over the reel and a small loop in the running line. The latter might be a weld or a braided loop.

[monsterfish]

Brookie, why wouldn't you use the blind splice loop on fish over 10 pounds ? This kind of worries me...We have some early run big fish that can run upwards of 30 lbs in the odd chance I where to ever get one on the line I wouldn't want to be worrying about my loops !!!
So just looking for a bit of reassurance that this is still a strong enough loop to use for these size of fish? That just got me a bit worried.

Also Ted you mentioned "glue" on the single catch loop ?? On the midcurrent instructional video on tying the blind splice loop George Anderson mention's that you don't need to use glue on the spliced loop? I would assume it is because he is demonstrating the "double catch" but would you guys still recommend using glue on the connection?

Just want to be 100% confident in my loops after im done !!

[MJC]

Just want to be 100% confident in my loops after im done !!

The salt boys have been using the double catch loop for years so to my mind anyways that would prove that it's tuff enough.

If you want to be 100% confident in your double catch loops then build one and pull on it. I have cut my fingers pulling on 30# Dacron trying to make it give. The harder you pull the tighter it gets.

As a side note, you can bury as much Dacron as you think you need to be safe. All you need is a doubled 10 gauge guitar string. 10" and 5" is more then plenty.