Splicing lines

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Originator: Rick J

Date: 5/9/2001 4:01 PM

Having just returned from Spey Days I was truly impressed with the modified lines brought by Steve that Bubba and others have been working on.  In the interim and for those who just hate to cut up and splice I was wondering about "bastardizing" some of the Rio interchangable tip lines.  Rio makes an Accelerator Upgrade to be used with a Windcutter by relpacing the 15' mid section with this 30' section, extending the belly by 15 feet   - I believe it is a 30' section basically level.   If that were added dircetly to either a MidSpey or Accelerator that would extend the head by 30' - My main question is in grain weight.  Would it make more sense to step this section down - if you start with say a 9/10 Accelerator or MidSpey - would it be better to use a 7/8/9 or even a 6/7/8 extention?  It seems that on the long lines being made that the front taper is a long section of lighter line?  Lastly would it make more sense to add this between the tip section and mid section or in back of the mid section?

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Originator: J_D

Date: 5/12/2001 10:45 PM

Rick,   When you order one of these "accellerator upgrade" lines, what you are getting is a 30 ft level section of line that is meant to replace the middle section of a windcutter line. If you mike the middle section (Rio refers to it as the #2 tip), you will find that there is a slight reduction in diameter as go go from back to front. So if you want to keep the mid section in, add the upgrade line behind it. This is going to end up being quite a bit heavier than before, so it might be better top drop down one line size to start with.   If you start with an 8/9 Accellerator (or midspey) they are undoubtably smaller in diameter as they are distributing roughly the same amount of grain weight over a longer length of line (or head). In a case such as this, I would call Rio for a recomendation or mike the lines to get a match. I have added a 35 ft section to a Windcutter 9/10/11 which I am using on a 9140-4. It works, but is probably probably heavier than it needs to be.   Bottom line: this is probably, at best, taking a bad idea and refining it. Kind of like a 911 Porshe. You can make it go like hell. But you have to really trick it out and  then learn how to drive it.   JD

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Originator: Rick J

Date: 5/14/2001 12:18 AM

Tried a 6/7/8 Accelerator upgrade on both a 8/9/10 Windcutter and a 9/10 Accelerator in various combinations and it was sure not a Porche - more like a VW Bug on one  cylinder!!!!!!!!!  Makes me truly impressed with the work that others have put in to get the extended lines just right.  I've also got the 8/9/10 upgrade but that seems to add way too many grains and really overloads my rods.  They work ok as they were designed - to replace the mid section of the windcutter but still not really happy with it.  But can't just add on for a really long head on the Accelerator   Rick J

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Originator: J_D

Date: 5/15/2001 12:53 AM

Rick,   According to Rio, the 55ft head on an 8/9/10 windcutter weighs 585 grains. With the 8/9/10 upgrade section replacing tip #2 you are up to 750 grains. If you were to take a 7/8 Accellerator line (600gr) and add the 6/7/8 wind cutter upgrade you would have a line wieghing 745gr with a head length of 90 ft. http://rio@rioproducts.com/session/highlight?url=/faq/speylinereqs.html&words=spey+lines+&color=red   As you add length to the head, you have to keep dropping down in line size (dia & wt/ft). In theory anyway. In actual practice. the rod just flexes further down into the blank, drawing on "reserve power" if you will. How far down can you go without overloading? I don't know, depends on your casting style and what feels good to you. EGAD! Now I sound like a salesman.   As you know from being up there, Way's lines, although having extremely long bellies, were not what you would call skinny lines. They had some mass to them. Which also equates to weight. So there must be something else going on here. That only leaves one more varible and that is style, or technique. And there were some very accomplished casters up there.   Bottom line. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you liked those lines, call Bruce Richards at Scientific Anglers. They need to know there is a market out there.   JD

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Originator: Bill K

Date: 5/15/2001 3:44 AM

FYI Michael & Young's web site shows a clearance on Cortland DT Spey lines for those interested in mixing and matching, or just getting more lines...   $39.99    I presume that is CDN. http://www.myflyshop.com/   Bill Koran

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Originator: Rick J

Date: 5/15/2001 3:17 PM

JD has a good point about contacting SA - I'll bet that if SA had a bunch of those lines at the CLAVE, they could have sold every one.   JD - do you have a phone # or e-mail address for this guy at SA?  Might be worth listing to help others who might also want to put in their pitch!!   Best regards, Rick

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Originator: lastcaststeve

Date: 5/15/2001 5:17 PM

Dear Rick,   The gentleman at 3M, scientific anglers that would be your contact person is a great fellow by the name of Mr. Bruce Richards and can be reached at 1-517-496-1113. If you need further information or have any difficulty reaching him, please let me know.   Thanks Steve

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Originator: Simon

Date: 5/15/2001 7:47 PM

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Originator: Simon

Date: 5/15/2001 8:04 PM

Having read the above interest in our Accelerator Upgrade I figured it may be helpful to give everyone the grain weights of each of the WindCutters with and without the upgrade. They are as follows; 6/7/8 - 455 grains and 600 grains 7/8/9 - 525 grains and 680 grains 8/9/10 - 585 grains and 750 grains 9/10/11 - 650 grains and 860 grains 10/11/12 - 740 grains and 970 grains Also, the sections are tapered. The first 15' is level and the next 15' tapered. Again, for the 'buffs' here are the taper diameters; 6/7/8 - 0.072" to 0.059" 7/8/9 - 0.075" to 0.061" 8/9/10 - 0.081" to 0.063" 9/10/11 - 0.088" to 0.062 10/11/12 - 0.092" to 0.066" I hope these details help. All the best Simon G